norman.walsh.name: Comments on /2004/05/21/unimpressedhttp://norman.walsh.name/2004/05/21/unimpressed/comments.atom2012-05-22T18:43:33.976379ZComment 1 on /2004/05/21/unimpressedhttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00012004-05-21T15:10:51Z2004-05-21T15:10:51ZBruce da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

I've not used Impress, but most decent presentation apps (even PPT) can function as an outliner. So, there's not quite as much point-and-clicking as you seem to be doing. You typically use tab and shift-tab to move text around in the bullet hierarchy.

Still, even though my presentation application (Apple's Keynote) is otherwise quite nice, I often author the text of large presentations in an outliner and then export to Keynote to then handle the graphics.

Comment 2 on /2004/05/21/unimpressedhttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00022004-05-21T16:19:31Z2004-05-21T16:19:31ZBen Galbraithda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

Here, here! On the occasions I use Word and PowerPoint, I'm shocked at how obtuse these tools are. Word has had the same bullet-identing bugs for at least the past three versions.

I guess closed-standards and monopoly market power can stifle tool innovation -- who knew?

Comment 3 on /2004/05/21/unimpressedhttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00032004-05-21T16:23:07Z2004-05-21T16:23:07ZMartin Kretzschmarda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

Yes, Impress can do the outliner-thing. Just press F12. (See also the Magicpoint users guide to OO.o's Impress http://ooo.ximian.com/mgp-users.html)

Comment 4 on /2004/05/21/unimpressedhttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00042004-05-21T17:23:39Z2004-05-21T17:23:39ZNorman Walshda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

For the record, I'm sure that some of my frustration is caused by inexperience with the tool. That said, I have no desire to gain any experience with GUI editing tools so it'll probably stay that way.

And with respect to the outline mode, that may be convenient, but ultimately I had to plug all my text into a complicated set of slide templates so I'm not sure it would have helped. I'm not sure it wouldn't either--see the preceding paragraph.