<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:foaf="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/"><title>norman.walsh.name: Comments on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart/comments.atom</id><updated>2012-02-13T05:32:23.940522Z</updated><entry><title>Comment 1 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0001"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0001</id><published>2005-06-03T17:39:53Z</published><updated>2005-06-03T17:39:53Z</updated><author><name>Tobi</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndw/sets/406578/">Good stuff</a>. Thanks!
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But where's the "<i>spray paint vandalism</i>"? (I don't consider painting vandalism, generally)
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BTW, the common term is "street art", AFAIK that's what people would google for if they were to search for the kind of art you photographed.</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 2 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0002"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0002</id><published>2005-06-03T18:33:37Z</published><updated>2005-06-03T18:33:37Z</updated><author><name>Norman Walsh</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Thanks, Tobi. I expect your mention of the term "street art" is enough to get it into Google in the right places. And I've just repeated it for good measure. I'll remember that in the future.
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With respect to painting and vandalism, I think "No Medals No Prizes", "Einstein's Circus", "RSC!" and the collection of "HWH"'s might all be considered vandalism. I suppose the stickers might too, maybe it's just a matter of perspective. Slap a sticker on the telephone junction box on my house and I might think that was kind of cool. Spray paint my vinal siding and you can be damn sure I'll think it was vandalism.</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 3 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0003"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0003</id><published>2005-06-06T09:00:15Z</published><updated>2005-06-06T09:00:15Z</updated><author><name>Tobi</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>You're criminalizing works of art (and the respective artists) based
on your taste?
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<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndw/17067075/in/set-406578/">Tags</a>
are an important part of graffiti culture, AKA spraycan art. Some are
simple, some are complex.
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"Vandalism" means "<i>willful or malicious destruction or defacement
of public or private property</i>" according to
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://m-w.com/">m-w.com</a>. IMHO, drawing or painting on
public property is not a crime, but should be covered by the right to
freedom of expression.
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I can't see why the works you listed would be vandalism (especially if
you don't view the other works as vandalism). Because you don't like
the HWH animal?
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I simply don't think "vandalism" is a concept that helps much when
talking about graphical expression. The day there are no more murders,
no more child abuse, no more drug related deaths, no more corruption,
etc, we <strong>could</strong> start worrying about street artwork
that some people don't like. Or we could instead accept that if we
want to enjoy (and photograph and publish) thousands of works of art
while walking through urban areas we will also see some we like less.
(If we don't put the street artists into jail they will probably
continue to take care of the stuff no one wants to see, eg hate
propaganda such as nazi symbols.)
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    <p>
This is turning into a real discussion, if we want to continue we
might want to switch to private email.
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    <p>
P.S. Perhaps you could find street artists or graffiti writers who'd
be happy to make your vinyl siding more colourful? :)</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 4 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0004"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0004</id><published>2005-06-07T19:39:27Z</published><updated>2005-06-07T19:39:27Z</updated><author><name>Norman Walsh</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Whoa! I was very careful to use words like "might" and "maybe" because I don't purport to know what constitutes malicious behavior and what constitutes art in any general sense. It certainly has nothing to do with my personal taste; I chose the images I did because they were both relatively larger and more conspicuous and because they were done with spray paint.
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(And, fwiw, I quite like the HWH animal and I thought Einstein's Circus was quite clever. In fact, I like them all.)
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Perhaps vandalism was too strong a word. Certainly, I wasn't trying to suggest that taggers should be rounded up and shipped off to jail. I'll defined your right to freedom of expression even if I don't like the particular expressions you make. I still don't want my house spray painted, let's just say that plain, unadorned vinal siding is the expression I want to make.</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 5 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0005"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0005</id><published>2005-06-09T09:25:52Z</published><updated>2005-06-09T09:25:52Z</updated><author><name>Tobi</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Thanks for the discussion!
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I look forward to the next street art photos. If you ever come to Berlin I could offer to show you around; great street art, great cake.</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 6 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0006"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0006</id><published>2005-06-15T15:38:44Z</published><updated>2005-06-15T15:38:44Z</updated><author><name>Norman Walsh</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Possibly of interest: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ni9e.com/graf_taxonomy/graf_tax_01.html">Graffiti Taxonomy</a></p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 7 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0007"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0007</id><published>2005-06-20T11:54:35Z</published><updated>2005-06-20T11:54:35Z</updated><author><name>Tobi</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Interesting project, thanks for the link!</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 8 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0008"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0008</id><published>2005-06-20T18:50:44Z</published><updated>2005-06-20T18:50:44Z</updated><author><name>Axel Thiel</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Facts and background,from 300 years of development of graffiti-research,facts,names,dates,sources etc. on 11 500 pages,300 chapters</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 9 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0009"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0009</id><published>2005-07-12T17:29:50Z</published><updated>2005-07-12T17:29:50Z</updated><author><name>keitai</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
    <p>Nice read, see many photos from the same artist btw. I won't get myself in th e vandalism discussion. 'cause I like it, but I do have an opion on were not to spray/stick
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Anywayz nice read</p>
  </div></content></entry><entry><title>Comment 10 on /2005/05/27/urbanart</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://norman.walsh.name/2005/05/27/urbanart#comment0010"/><id>http://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment0010</id><published>2010-12-23T16:34:06Z</published><updated>2010-12-23T16:34:06Z</updated><author><name>Land of Pop</name><foaf:mbox_sha1sum>da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709</foaf:mbox_sha1sum></author><content type="xhtml"><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>All the rad street art and sights I saw...2 days on a bike in
Amsterdam
http://landofpop.com/2010/12/20/baby-went-to-amsterdam/</p></div></content></entry></feed>

