norman.walsh.name: Comments on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2008/02/04/msftyhoo/comments.atom2012-02-13T09:38:38.886813ZComment 1 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00012008-02-05T05:48:05Z2008-02-05T05:48:05ZJohn Cowanda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

What about search, though? That's a web property too, and the most important Hungadunga.

Comment 2 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00022008-02-05T15:14:33Z2008-02-05T15:14:33ZNorman Walshda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

Sure, web search is important, but it's not the same sort of thing. The cost of changing search engines is zero and the value of a search engine is purely the quality of the results (relevancy plus the aesthetics of the display).

Changing from del.icio.us to Ma.gnolia or from Flickr to SmugMug or from any "X" where I've invested effort creating my own personal content to some new "Y" has a real cost associated with it.

I think Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft, etc. have tried to create some additional value with various sorts of personalization, but those efforts have failed on me. I never go to www.google.com to search anyway, I type "g search terms" in the address bar of my browser. (And "y search terms" for a Yahoo! search, etc.)

Comment 3 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00032008-02-05T15:28:36Z2008-02-05T15:28:36ZKeith Fahlgrenda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

What replaced Bloglines?

Comment 4 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00042008-02-05T16:02:40Z2008-02-05T16:02:40ZNorman Walshda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

Keith, NetNewsWire.

Comment 5 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00052008-02-05T16:57:47Z2008-02-05T16:57:47ZKeith Fahlgrenda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

NetNewsWire. Fair enough. As a half-satisfied Bloglines user: Care to write a separate post on why you switched? Did you try the Bloglines beta?

Comment 6 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00062008-02-06T14:56:52Z2008-02-06T14:56:52ZReinout van Reesda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

I'm also wondering about moving away from Flickr. The two alternatives are smugmug and host-it-myself.

In my thinking, having a nice system like you seem to have with lots of extracted metadata and assorted management stuff in RDF files should help here, right?

At least, that's been in the back of my head for a while. Make sure I've got all my own metadata in my own hands. Sync back geolocation and tags from flickr's photos, for example.

That ought to make it relatively easy to move wholescale to something else. But apparently it is definitively not that straightforward? (Of course it can mean lots of programming work to support something new like smugmug).

Reinout

Comment 7 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00072008-02-06T17:25:22Z2008-02-06T17:25:22ZNorman Walshda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

If all you want to do is publish your photos, it's probably not too hard to do it yourself. I did, in fact, for a long time.

What I like about Flickr are the social aspects, streams of photos from friends, comments from others, etc. That'd be real work to implement yourself, and wouldn't really pay off unless all your friends started using it too. So you have to compete with Flickr to replace it.

Looking at the SmugMug 1.2.1 API (or, rather, the skeletal outlines of it's beta documentation), it seems like they're planning to add more social stuff in the near future.

I think I'll probably give SmugMug at try. I was able to bang out an XSLT interface to their API in short order. Go REST! Go!

Comment 8 on /2008/02/04/msftyhoohttp://norman.walsh.name/2010/09/25/oauth#comment00082008-03-16T12:42:46Z2008-03-16T12:42:46ZRobertda39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709

Yes Norman, social aspect is a crucial aspect. Flickr is famous not for its technology ( even if it is the best photo sharing platform at the moment ), but for tha ability to become popular and widely used among thousands of people. I'm trying to develop something like that on my webcommunity but I'm encountering some difficulties related to geolocalization, API and watermarking.